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Bill Lampton Ph.D.
Bill, Hi there. Welcome to the biz communication Show. I’m your host. Bill Lampton, the biz communication guy, once again, bringing you tips and strategies that will boost your business, because I will be having a lively and informative conversation with someone who has demonstrated exceptional communication skills, and from them, you will learn those tips and strategies that will boost your business. Today, it’s a distinct privilege to welcome Wes Rhea. He holds a law degree and an MBA degree. He is based in Marietta, Georgia, which is in the metropolitan Atlanta area. Wes Rhea is a healthcare executive, author, speaker, educator and formal excuse me, former professional wrestler. Wes started his career as a professional wrestler in the late 1980s which ran through the mid 1990s while wrestling for various promotions throughout the southeast. Then he moved on to a stellar corporate and academic career, Wes held executive level positions as a vice president, compliance officer and information officer in the telecommunications, financial and healthcare industries. He was a senior lecturer at Kennesaw State University, teaching at the undergraduate and Executive MBA programs and held administrative roles while serving as a career coach, among other topics we’ll talk with Wes about his newly released book off the top rope,
from meeting Muhammad Ali to riding in Shania Twain’s limousine. And I got, I got to talk to him about that Wes has had what we could easily call a very unconventional career. So join me in welcoming Wes Rhea to the biz communication show Hello Wes.
Wes Rhea
Hello, Bill. Thank you so much, and Happy Tuesday to you, and thank you for your time and having me today, I’m so excited to speak with you. So thanks again.
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
Well, I’m happy that our mutual friend John Rhea referred you to me. I’ve hosted this program I noticed the other day for eight years. So I have interviewed people from a wide variety of backgrounds and professions, but you’re a first. I have never even met or talked with a professional wrestler before, so I know that our podcast viewers and listeners will be very interested in hearing what attracted you to that, what was it all about, and why did you stick with it for several years? Wes, oh, yeah,
Wes Rhea
that’s a first for everything, right?
That’s a great question. Bill, you know,
gosh, I’ll try to convince this for you, I was very athletic growing up, played all sports, whatever was in season. When I graduated from high school, I gravitated towards baseball and went to college at Kennesaw State and played baseball at Kennesaw State, and I really that was my goal. I’ll be quite honest, I really wanted to be a professional athlete or professional baseball player. Luckily, I had enough sense to listen to my parents and some others around me, and I graduated from Kennesaw State with a business degree and had what back in the mid 80s they would call a I didn’t get drafted or anything like that, but what they would call is it as a free agent tryout. And I had an opportunity with a free agent tryout and with the Cincinnati Reds, and didn’t work out. So I thought, Well, I gotta, gotta get a real job. And I actually ended up running into some couple guys I grew up with and went to high school with, they had entered into the world of professional wrestling. And I was like, Wow. I loved it as a kid. Watched it and I thought, Wow, maybe this is a chance for me to continue this before I have to maybe do a real job. And now, just to kind of put it in perspective, I’m about six to 190 now, but back then, I was 170 maybe stretching at 621 70, and I can tell you, 621 70 is not going to cut. It too good in professional wrestling, my two buddies were about six foot, 222 30, and one was about six to 240 and they, you know, yeah, you can do it. You know, the TV adds 10 pounds to you, and they’ll bill you at 200 pounds. You’ll, you’ll be there, yes, okay, I can do this. So you had to kind of know somebody who knew somebody who was willing to train you back then. It’s very different from now. If anybody happens to be a professional wrestling fan and watch a professional wrestling there’s lots of schools and training opportunities now. We’re a little different back then. And ended up meeting someone, and had to do kind of the double secret handshake, and guy said he’d bring me in to kind of do like a tryout, so to speak. And, you know, Bill, I thought, wow, this is gonna be cool. I might get to wear a mask. I might get to do jump off the top rope, drop kicks, all these fun things and and literally, Bill, I got beat up for about an hour and a half for free. So 10 minutes into it, I said, What have you gotten? And I’ve said this a lot to myself throughout my life and careers, what have I gotten myself into? And so, you know, I was it was just getting thrown, slammed, you name it, you know. And so I said, Well, this can’t go on forever. Let’s, let’s just do the best you can. So as an athlete, you you’ve heard the term, maybe you got to slow things down a little bit in your brain so things don’t get so fast. And so I said, Let’s just use your athletic ability. We’ll get through it. I did. And I thought, Well, okay, this is over. And after we were done about an hour and a half later and being beaten up for free. The guy, usually, when they forget your name and the wrestling business, they call you kid. And I was in my 20s, of course, at that time, he said, Hey, kid, come here. And I thought, okay, what are they gonna say to get ready to leave? You know? He said, Hey, you can get up to 200 pounds. I’ll train you. I was like, light bulb, you know, the door. I don’t know if anybody’s a movie fan of the movie Dumb and Dumber, have you ever seen that before? No, I’m not saying that one. Okay, well, if you get chance, it’s definitely pretty funny. But there’s a scene where he’s, he basically says, you know, he’s trying to get an opportunity. Says, so you’re, you know, What’s the odds? And the guy says, it’s a million to one. He says, So you’re saying there’s a chance, right? So it was like, you know, I was like, give me that chance. So I went back, you know, started putting in the work. Had a good friend who was a competitive bodybuilder. His parents owned a fitness center, started really training seriously and hard and nutrition, and got up to 200 pounds. And then I called him back, I can’t remember exactly, maybe six, seven months later, and he kept his word. He trained me. And next thing, you know, there, there, there was, you know, just had my first opportunity. I was training up in northwest Georgia. I’d go twice, twice a week, and I’ll never forget bill, if I can share this real quick with you. It was a Saturday, and I’d been training for probably three months or so, and, you know, I thought they had had a show that night, wrestling show. And I thought, well, you know, I was going to go drive home Marietta. And he said, Hey, go get your stuff. You’re, you’re going to be on tonight. And I was like, Whoa, you know
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
this, this sounds like, this sounds like an old movie, right there.
Wes Rhea
Get in there? Kid, exactly. So I didn’t, you know, drove home. I was on cloud nine, of course, driving home, and that got my gear, and I’m coming back. And then also it kind of hit me like, Uh oh, this is about to happen. So it, you know, it, and you know, I was nervous, without a doubt, but I trained, you know, I knew what to do, and I knew it was only going to be about five seven minutes. I said, if it goes no further, you did it, right? You know, it was you accomplished that goal. And that’s something I’m trying to get across to, you know, people, whether it’s students, people transitioning their career and through my building for your coaching, yes, yeah, you know, just don’t give up. You know, don’t give up. So it was, it was, I can remember to this day, Bill, you know, it was, and I can tell you, it’s, you know, I see why athletes want to stay in as long as they can, because the crowd, it’s, you know, it’s addictive. And in wrestling, whether you’re a bad guy or a heel or a good guy or a baby face, that the terms there either getting cheered or booed, and you’re going to want either one, right, you know, and, and something that I try to help people understand in that video, if you’re in the corporate world or even, like in academia, to some degree, you get an annual review, right? You get a review every year
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
at least, maybe quarterly. Yeah, maybe quarterly, right?
Wes Rhea
That world, you’re getting a nightly review. You know, every time you’re getting you’re getting feedback one way or the other. So, and even in the classroom setting, you know, same kind of that same way too. So, so yes, that was, that was kind of how I fell into it. And, you know, it was very enjoyable. My body today kind of was wondering why I did it. But, you know, back. Then when your 20s, you don’t think that much about
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
and this was what you did full time for several years. Yes,
Wes Rhea
and then towards the end, I knew that this probably wasn’t going to be a long term career, as I was getting into my early 30s there, so I started working customer service and doing that kind of more of a part time basis, and that’s I knew I needed to get, I needed to get something else going. This wasn’t going to be, you know, something I was going to do for, you know, 3040, years. You just my I ended up getting up to about 230 pounds, and that was, wow, yeah. Difference, yeah. And that was a full time job keeping that weight on for me. I’m just not that built that way, you know. And so it was, so it was, but, you know, so, so that’s what I ended up doing. So then, as I started easing out of wrestling, and then maybe doing something here and there, every now and then I was getting in, I started at the bottom, doing customer service for a telecommunications company. And just then went back and got my MBA and just kept I did it the hard way. Bill, that’s why I like trying to help people tell them, just try it another way. There’s easier ways to do it the way I did it,
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
yes, but what a learning experience. I go back and thinking to my high school days i i was a bad kid shipped off to prep school because parents gave up on me. And at that prep school, wrestling was very important, very competitive, and they and I went to a good number of wrestling matches. And one thing that I tried out briefly from for the boxing team, but when I made the team, I decided, no, I prefer to keep all my teeth. I didn’t keep going with that. But one thing you said a minute ago, where you said five to seven minutes, that’s the longest five to seven minutes a guy can endure.
Wes Rhea
You know, I think it really is. And you know, it’s, you know, it’s it, you know. And you do have to, course, be in condition. And it’s, you know, five to seven minutes. Doesn’t sound like a long time, but you know, it can be an eternity at times, you know.
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
Well, I remember so well in the short time I was in high school boxing, as you know, there were three minute rounds, right? And there were many times I thought, has the clock broken? Broken? Has the coach left the room? Why isn’t that bell signing? That’s a very long three minutes. Well, one final related question on on the your wrestling career? We, of course, are on this show, we focus on communication. In what ways did communication play a part in your wrestling career, either by what you you had to practice, or by what you learned about communication? Now,
Wes Rhea
that’s a great question, Bill, and I think that’s something that that you know, and that’s something I talk about in my book too, and I try to help people with is that you never know what when you’re doing something, what you’re going to learn from that, and how you can take that with you along the way. So when, as a professional wrestler, I was in front of crowds, you know, when I first started, they might have not been very big, but as you know, there were 1000s of people out there, right? 1000s, my gosh, yeah. And you know, when you’re in you’re in front of a camera, you’re on TV or in front of cameras talking, you know, with an announcer, or whatever that you may be talking about. So you get, you learn how to do that and get comfortable with that. And so as, you know, as I progress, you know, again, you don’t, you’re not thinking at that time, well, hey, I’m learning some skills, right? I’m learning how to, you know, talk in front of the camera. I’m learning how to be in front of a crowd and be comfortable in front of a crowd, and that sort of thing, so that those are things that you learn again. I can didn’t realize it because I really wasn’t probably thinking about it at that time, but it’s skills you do learn. And you had to communicate, you had to negotiate, you had to learn different school, different you know, things you’re booking your you might be booking a promotion or an event or whatever the case may be, but it yeah, those things you do learn along the way in kind of a in a roundabout way that you weren’t thinking about, yeah,
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
that’s fascinating, and it underscores something that I’ve recognized for decades, and that is, there are many times that we In our younger years are having experience that we think have no particular value, and yet, later on, those skills that we learned, which we thought were just way out of the park, all of a sudden, they become very central to what we’re doing and our. Next stage of our professional life. No, you’re
Wes Rhea
exactly right. And back then, you know, a lot of it in some promotions, you know, you like today, there’s a, there’s a, there’s a lot of investment, because they’re in live TV in front of very, very large audiences. So there’s a big investment. So they’re, they’re, they’re, there’s probably a lot more rehearsal, from a speaking perspective today, than there was back. A lot of it was like, you kind of winged it, you know. Here’s a something, oh, okay, go, you know. And now it’s probably a little because, because of the cost involved and the audiences that are involved. And now it’s, it’s a very, it’s a very, very, it’s changed a lot over the years. Very, very serious athletic, sports entertainment business now,
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
and so the communication skills are even more vital. Exactly,
Wes Rhea
it really is. And if anybody you know gets a chance, and you watch one of the shows you you’ll kind of notice that with some of the young men and young women that are speaking, you can tell that they’re probably not out there, just kind of, I mean, there’s a little ad lib, of course, but they’re not totally winging it.
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
Wes you and I share a couple of experiences. One is we were both university faculty members, and when we come back in just a few seconds, I want to talk with you about your faculty career back shortly.
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Bill Lampton Ph.D.
We’re here with Wes Rhea on the biz communication Show. I’m your host, Bill Lampton, the biz communication guy. Wes, as I mentioned a few seconds ago, you and I both have been university professors. Now, as I looked at your LinkedIn profile, which of course I do before welcoming welcoming any guests onto the show to find out more about them, I noticed that you got truly rave reviews from your former students now, having been a prof myself, no, that’s not automatic. I know that’s that’s rather difficult to achieve. I I’ve taught at University of Georgia for five years, and my reviews didn’t match yours. I know there must be some communications strategies involved in that. What was it that made students respond to you so positively? Well?
Wes Rhea
Thank you for those kind words. Bill. I appreciate that. You know, gosh, I wish I’d love to be able to tell somebody I had this model, and if you follow this, then you’ll, you know, I always try to just be, be me. I love helping people. I think like yourself. You know, Bill, you know you don’t get into teaching and things of that nature if you don’t love helping people. So that’s something I’ve always loved doing. And I always, you know, when I was in class, I I just tried to always make sure my students knew that I’m here, you know, and I listened. And I think, I think hopefully that genuine piece came across, and that I’m here to help you. I really want you to do well. I want you to get that in that career you’re wanting to get into so if you have any questions about your career or your resume or whatever the case, come and talk to me. You know, I’ll hang out after class, or we’ll go meet in office somewhere and talk. So I always tried to do that, and then this take time to let them talk and let you know, listen to them whether the topic we might be talking about in class, but I just, I hope that it was the sincerity that I brought that came across as I’m really here to help you. I really want you to do well, and that’s my servant leadership. My job is to really help you get to that next level. So in taking that time, I think, I think they’re, you know, just putting the time and effort into the students and helping them out the show that I care. I think there was a quote John bill, and I’m gonna, I’m gonna mess it up, I’m sure here, but it was some of the fact that students don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. And so I think I really just. Tried to show that, and I hope it can’t, I’m hoping it came across. And, you know, I felt like too that I had the courses I was would teach, I had experience in them, so I could kind of help, I think, relate to what we were talking about, about some things that, you know, I had maybe done in my career. And this is
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
how it was not just textbook stuff you talked about, as we say, the real world, on how that related, exactly,
Wes Rhea
exactly, Bill, and, you know, I tried to say, you know, you know, here’s, you know, if you you know, here’s some great industries, here’s some great fields. I would bring in guest speakers, people that I knew, or people that had been in this industry, you know. And you know, bring in, I was able to bring in some companies to help with internship. So it was really about, I think I’m hoping it was really the caring. I really, I really just tried to care. And I always would tell my students, look, I’m not here to trick you. I’m I’m gonna put it out, you know, they say in the baseball terms, and I throw you an 80 mile an hour fastball right down the middle of the plate, and I want you to hit it right? So I and I think hopefully that came across is like, I’m not trying to trick you. I can stay home and trick people. I want to do that, to stay home and do that all day. So I’m here to want you to do well, life’s hard enough. Let’s enjoy our time while we’re here. And always wanted to make sure people got something out of I taught you an is based course information systems, and we had all business majors in there. But, you know, just trying to say, look, whether you’re accounting or finance or management, you’re still going to use technology to some degree and try to and it is. And I think it was, it was really nice when you would see somebody who would go, hey, I want to try to get into this field. What are some options? And I could, you know, talk to them about that. So I hope that’s what helped Bill. I really, I really enjoyed it. It was one of the most rewarding, you know, things I’d ever done. Never thought I would do it, but I enjoyed it, especially going back to my alma mater, which was really cool, which was very fun, yeah,
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
yes, not many people get to do that. So that’s that’s very fortunate. A couple of points I want to emphasize regarding your approach to teaching. First of all, those who who follow this show and those who have been my coaching clients, and those who’ve heard me speak, and those who see my articles and videos know that I place very high priority, as you do, on listening skills. In fact, one of the one of the slogans Wes that I bounce around is listen your way to the top. Good point. So many people think you speak your way to the top, but we’ve got plenty of people around, right? We don’t have that many keen listeners. And the other thing that I would point out, responding to your approach to dealing with students is that you were accessible. Yes, I had my graduate work. MA and PhD were at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio. I so well remember one professor who was, you could call him invisible. He would show up for class, and then hardly anybody knew where he was the rest of the time. So I remember so well when it came time for his retirement, they had a ceremony, and they were making gifts to Him, and one person gave him an office hour, because they’ve never known him to have an office
Wes Rhea
that’s really good. I commend
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
you for your your openness, for your willingness to listen, and also your your humorous approach. That helps as well. Academics doesn’t have to be so so stuff shirted, okay, we mentioned in the introduction, and I’m excited to hear about it. As I know our viewers and listeners are that you’ve written a book, so tell us about off the top rope.
Wes Rhea
Well, thank you so much, Bill. I appreciate that. And you know, it was kind of interesting that, like a lot of things I’ve done, you know, never thought I’d absolutely ever get a chance to be a professional wrestler. Never thought I’d be a chance to teach at the college level. And these certain things happen. And when I was teaching a friend at the school, and former he was a professor as well there, I didn’t really talk much about being in professional wrestling when I was at school or anything like that. Every now and then, somebody would find out about it or something and be intrigued with it. And I’d talk about it when they would ask. But this one guy at the teaching there at school said he, you know, he’s like, You ought to write a book. And I was like, Well, you know, I wasn’t that famous. I’m not a, you know, a Ric Flair, or the rock or anything like. Like that. So, you know, I thought, well, you know, he said, No, don’t you talk about, you know, your how you went through your different transitions. And I was like, Matt, because I was doing, you know, crucial career coaching at the time with some students and helping them. And so maybe you’re onto something. So I thought, well, let me kind of pitch. I pitched an idea to a publisher. And, you know, you know, you you know, Bill, how the whole publishing thing goes. I thought, Well, we’ll see. Maybe don’t hear anything back in a couple weeks or something back. They say, hey, we kind of like your idea. Talk to you and not they said, Can you write a chapter? And I said, Oh, okay, let me do that. So I wrote a chapter, and I didn’t know if it go anywhere. They like, hey, we like it. Can you do nine more, 10 more chapters. I was like, Oh, back to I got, what am I got myself into again,
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
but you were, you were in for it now, exactly, right. So the
Wes Rhea
goal, really, Bill is just to try to help people say, as I mentioned earlier, as a professional wrestler, I didn’t think about some of the skills I was learning there, communication, presentation, being in front of people, being comfortable in front of people negotiation. So really trying to help people understand that you can take these skills and don’t discount them. You can go from here to here to here. Now, you know, I went from there to getting into corporate sector. Now, you know, I’d love to tell people I went from professional wrestling right to a C level job. Well, no, that’s not how it happened. I started out at customer service. And, you know, hard work, perseverance, faith, little bit of luck. You know, all these things got to come into play, networking, but learn your skills, craft your skills, education. You may have to go back and get some some schooling. It’s not going to be easy, but if you want it, perseverance and get, you know, to keep moving through. So, you know, take those skills and apply them there. And then, you know, when I went into started teaching, I said, Well, let me Okay, well, I’ve learned some. I’ve been in front of crowds, so I’m okay being in front of students, you know, and, you know, talk, done some presentations and things at the corporate level. So, you know, I know the materials. And keep learning. I think, keep learning and keep moving, and kind of keep reinventing yourself. So I think I find a lot of times I people that I might talk to, and I’m sure you see this in your coaching, is people, I think sometimes are afraid to step out and maybe take that chance a little bit. And I know everybody’s situation is different. So you know, but I generally trying to get across is that you can do it. It’s not going to always be easy, but you can take these skills you’ve learned along the way. And I’m hoping that maybe my journey will help someone say, hey, well, this guy can do it. You know, maybe it’s my time to take some of these skills and maybe go get a certification that’s going to help me get to this level or go back to school. You know, I’ve heard so many people say I’ve been meaning to go back to school, you know, right now, Bill, you know, I talked about some book, it’s, it’s hard to say that you can’t, I mean, you can do online, you can do synchronous, asynchronous, you know, school is very accessible
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
now, right? Much, much easier than it was, exactly,
Wes Rhea
you know. So, so I’m saying, you know, there’s plenty of opportunities. Just really trying to give some people some hope positivity. Stay with it. Stick with it. You’ll have some ups and downs, but ride those ups and downs. Don’t give up if that’s something you truly want. I think it was a, I love quotes. There was a quote, I believe it said, if you really, if you really want to get there, you’ll, you’ll find a way. If you don’t, you’ll find an excuse, right? Yeah, so you know, and I know sometimes things happen, barriers, life happens. I get all that. I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, but that’s kind of what I’m hoping that my book will get out and get some positivity out there to help people continue to move forward in their career, where they’re just starting out, or maybe they’ve been 20 years in and trying to make some transitions.
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
Okay, Wes tell us. How can we access the book? How can we purchase it? Yeah, thank
Wes Rhea
you. You can go to my website, which is off the top rope book com, and it’s also available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble Books a Million, just about anywhere a book is sold. I’ve always wanted to say that it’s available anywhere a book is so it’s about anywhere a book is sold, you can you can probably find it, but Amazon and Barnes and Noble probably the two, the two biggies that most people go to.
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
I’m sure there’s some great lessons there. And we have had such an enjoyable conversation. I call it a conversation rather than an interview. And as the old saying goes, the the clock on the wall just keeps on moving. So we’re going to have to bring our conversation to a conclusion. But before we do, I know that there are people who would want to contact you, so please give us your contact information. Wes,
Wes Rhea
yeah, so um, the website, off the top rope, book.com, there’s a way to get in touch with me, if anybody wants to get in touch with me. Or, of course, you know people LinkedIn. I’m on LinkedIn, get in touch with me through LinkedIn. Those are probably two of the best ways to to connect with me. And love to connect. I’m also out on Instagram and Facebook as well, so any of the social media platforms. So. Love connecting with people and reaching out. If I get anything I can do to help. Always love to do that.
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
Okay, thank you so much for giving your contact information. I encourage all of our viewers and listeners to get in touch with you, and now that you’ve given yours, I’m happy to share mine, my YouTube channel, Bill Lambton, PhD, and as I mentioned at the outset, I have hosted this show for eight years. And if you when you go to my YouTube channel, hit that subscribe button, and our favorite word is free, you will have access to many conversations as stimulating and and rich enriching as this one on the biz communication show. And to expand on that, I started recording instructional communication videos on YouTube in the year 2007 so I have more than 500 instructional videos on there. The first ones are solo presentations, and later are tapping into somebody else’s expertise, as we have done today. So I encourage you to go there. And also my website being the biz communication guy, quite logically, my website is biz communication guy.com and while you’re there, you can subscribe to the podcast, which I encourage you to do. I would love to hear from you by telephone. 678-316-4300, again. 678-316-4300, and I would at no obligation, no cost, I would love to hear an initial conversation about your communication problems and challenges, and we can explore a way that I can assist you with them. Wes again. Thank you for a wonderful conversation, so entertaining, so enlightening and so educational. So I always like to ask my guest, as I will ask you now, how could you pull together what you would like to leave with us today?
Wes Rhea
Thank you again. Bill, so much. It was such a pleasure meeting you and I really enjoyed our conversation, as you mentioned. So thank you again. Can’t thank you enough for that. I think what I’d really like to really like to help people to get out is just don’t give up, persevere. Keep a positive attitude. You’re going to go through some peaks and valleys, some ups and downs, but if you want to get to where you’re wanting to go, you can get there. You can get there. Just have faith, belief in yourself. Surround yourself with good people, positive, positive thoughts, good attitude, and that’ll get you there, and that that’ll get you to that right spot. So just keep going and keep persevering.
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
Amen. And you remind me of one of my favorite sayings, the guy who woke up famous really hadn’t been asleep,
Wes Rhea
exactly right? That’s a good one. Yeah, I think the other one I heard was it took took many years to become an overnight success, right? That’s right, that’s right,
Bill Lampton Ph.D.
exactly. Thanks again to Wes Rhea for being such an informative and delightful guest today. Thanks to those of you who joined us on the video portion and also are on the podcast, we invite you to be with us again next week for another vital conversation with a communication expert so that you can elevate your communication skills, after learning new tips and strategies, this is the biz communication Show. I’m your host, Bill Lambton, the biz communication guy. You
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